Comments on: Let’s kill a few learning holy cows – 70:20:10 is dead (or at least seriously ill) http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/ Random ramblings of a Brit abroad. Technology, family, learning, life. Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:23:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gerry http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-601 Gerry Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:55:06 +0000 http://www.nickjhowe.com/?p=262#comment-601 I heard someone espouse the 70/20/10 approach at a conference last week - as part of a presentation about how they came to be an employer of choice, and their implementation framework. Given my observations about the usefulness or otherwise of formal training, and some intellectual wrestling with colleagues about the underlying purpose and intent of performance development programs, I thought I'd explore it further. I Googled... found a reference to Princeton Uni where I found reference to a publication and the Centre for Creative Leadership, where I failed to find any specific link to 70/20/10 (cursory search I admit, however the Princeton reference indicated it could be a bull's eye - it wasn't). Further Google-ing reveals frequent comments that the approach was developed by Princeton... who in turn describe this as a philosophy... http://www.princeton.edu/hr/learning/philosophy/ And as a result of all this clicking, I came across this feed and am delighted - and interested as I have been following Harold Jarche for a little while now... Thanks for giving me another (and valuable) perspective! I heard someone espouse the 70/20/10 approach at a conference last week – as part of a presentation about how they came to be an employer of choice, and their implementation framework.

Given my observations about the usefulness or otherwise of formal training, and some intellectual wrestling with colleagues about the underlying purpose and intent of performance development programs, I thought I’d explore it further.

I Googled… found a reference to Princeton Uni where I found reference to a publication and the Centre for Creative Leadership, where I failed to find any specific link to 70/20/10 (cursory search I admit, however the Princeton reference indicated it could be a bull’s eye – it wasn’t).

Further Google-ing reveals frequent comments that the approach was developed by Princeton… who in turn describe this as a philosophy…

http://www.princeton.edu/hr/learning/philosophy/

And as a result of all this clicking, I came across this feed and am delighted – and interested as I have been following Harold Jarche for a little while now…

Thanks for giving me another (and valuable) perspective!

]]> By: Dealing with WAGs and SWAGs and Empirical Evidence in the Pursuit of Performance « EPPIC – Pursuing Performance http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-555 Dealing with WAGs and SWAGs and Empirical Evidence in the Pursuit of Performance « EPPIC – Pursuing Performance Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:43:57 +0000 http://www.nickjhowe.com/?p=262#comment-555 [...] http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/ [...] [...] http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/ [...]

]]> By: Informal Learning: Beyond the 70/20/10 Model http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-539 Informal Learning: Beyond the 70/20/10 Model Fri, 15 Jul 2011 21:42:47 +0000 http://www.nickjhowe.com/?p=262#comment-539 [...] heard plenty of people like Doug Lynch tell us there is no peer-reviewed basis for the model. I’ve searched for peer-reviewed journal [...] [...] heard plenty of people like Doug Lynch tell us there is no peer-reviewed basis for the model. I’ve searched for peer-reviewed journal [...]

]]> By: njh http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-527 njh Mon, 04 Jul 2011 19:32:02 +0000 http://www.nickjhowe.com/?p=262#comment-527 Check out this link: http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED025688&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=ED025688 Allen Tough's work is study of 35 people in the Toronto area. And from this foundation the edifice is built... Check out this link: http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/search/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=ED025688&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=ED025688

Allen Tough’s work is study of 35 people in the Toronto area. And from this foundation the edifice is built…

]]> By: sam ellis http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-524 sam ellis Mon, 04 Jul 2011 12:44:24 +0000 http://www.nickjhowe.com/?p=262#comment-524 do you have the refernce for the Tough study from 1968 please? do you have the refernce for the Tough study from 1968 please?

]]> By: njh http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-475 njh Mon, 30 May 2011 15:16:34 +0000 http://www.nickjhowe.com/?p=262#comment-475 The problem is there is almost no peer reviewed research in the area. There ARE plenty of anecdotal stories about the efficacy of communities of practice to solve problems, but the extent to which this translates into 'learning' is unclear. Ultimately it comes back to the business problem you are trying to solve. Historically formal learning is pretty much always targeted at 'just-in-case' learning and by definition is separated in time from the need. There is definitely a need for 'just-in-time' activities and these are worth investing in. I don't think it matters whether it is 70:20:10 or 30:40:30 or whatever number you come up with - there is a need for foundational skills building and context creation AND for targeted performance support. The learning/training organization should play a fundamental role in both of these. The problem is there is almost no peer reviewed research in the area. There ARE plenty of anecdotal stories about the efficacy of communities of practice to solve problems, but the extent to which this translates into ‘learning’ is unclear. Ultimately it comes back to the business problem you are trying to solve. Historically formal learning is pretty much always targeted at ‘just-in-case’ learning and by definition is separated in time from the need. There is definitely a need for ‘just-in-time’ activities and these are worth investing in. I don’t think it matters whether it is 70:20:10 or 30:40:30 or whatever number you come up with – there is a need for foundational skills building and context creation AND for targeted performance support. The learning/training organization should play a fundamental role in both of these.

]]> By: David White http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-473 David White Sun, 29 May 2011 21:35:37 +0000 http://www.nickjhowe.com/?p=262#comment-473 Thought-provoking article - thank you. I was originally looking for sources to describe how to support 70:20:10, but I'm happy to pause awhile to rethink. Can you point to an alternative model - other than 70:20:10 - that you think is more accurate? Cheers David Thought-provoking article – thank you. I was originally looking for sources to describe how to support 70:20:10, but I’m happy to pause awhile to rethink.

Can you point to an alternative model – other than 70:20:10 – that you think is more accurate?

Cheers
David

]]> By: Nickjhowe http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-413 Nickjhowe Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:21:42 +0000 http://www.nickjhowe.com/?p=262#comment-413 <strong>Nickjhowe...</strong> [...] something about nickjhowe[...]... Nickjhowe…

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]]> By: Alan Todd http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-407 Alan Todd Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:09:48 +0000 http://www.nickjhowe.com/?p=262#comment-407 Nick, I think 80/20 is "roughly right", which is likely good enough for most business executives. I have not seen ANY evidence to indicate that 70-20-10 is anything but good natured guessing from well intentioned practitioners. Great article Nick, Alan Nick,

I think 80/20 is “roughly right”, which is likely good enough for most business executives. I have not seen ANY evidence to indicate that 70-20-10 is anything but good natured guessing from well intentioned practitioners.

Great article Nick,

Alan

]]> By: OTJ, Coaching, Classroom « 70-20-10 http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/comment-page-1/#comment-404 OTJ, Coaching, Classroom « 70-20-10 Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:25:19 +0000 http://www.nickjhowe.com/?p=262#comment-404 [...] I investigated this application, I came upon a contrarian view debunking this delineation – http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/. But I think that Nick misses the point of 70-20-10 in general. It is not intended as some [...] [...] I investigated this application, I came upon a contrarian view debunking this delineation – http://www.nickjhowe.com/2010/05/lets-kill-a-few-learning-holy-cows/. But I think that Nick misses the point of 70-20-10 in general. It is not intended as some [...]

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